Posted on: July 22nd, 2020 by Zoe Carassik-Lord No Comments
In the wake of the murder of George Floyd it feels like there is a turning of the tide with people waking up to the realities of racism BUT there is still so much work to be done.We had the honour of chatting to Natalie from @everydayracism_ about how you as young people can engage in this conversation and make a difference. Natalie used to attend Pie as a young person and it wasn’t long before she became one of our Trustees (the youngest trustee in the UK at the time), since then Natalie has worked on various projects with us and has remained a friend. She speaks honestly and powerfully about her own journey and what young people can do to start to act for positive, lasting change.
You can watch the full conversation here:
Below are all of the resources that are mentioned in the video:
Great books for young people: THIS BOOK IS ANTI RACIST – Tiffany Jewell STAMPED – Jason Reynalds & Dr. Ibram X. Kendi Say her name – Zetta Elliot
Adult books to educate – Still good to read: White fragility – Robin DiAngelo Me and my White Supremacy – Layla F Saad Why I am no longer talking to white people about race – Reni Eddo-Lodge Natives – Akala
Fictional books by BAME authors: The only back girls in town – Brandy Colbert Black Brother – Jewell Parker Rhodes Slay – Brittany Morris
Posted on: October 28th, 2019 by Zoe Carassik-Lord No Comments
A Year of amazing events organised by, and for, young musicians.
In September 2018, a group of young musicians from Thanet met for the first time. This was the start of the Thanet Emerging Artists Programme, an ambitious new project with the aim of introducing young musicians to new areas of the music industry, and giving them all the resources they need to kick start their music careers.
The programme started with a Studio exchange – the young producers travelled to Raw Material in Brixton, and began the process of making collaborative songs with other young musicians who they had never met before.
The young musicians from Brixton then came down and visited Pie Factory’s own studio, and the result was two fantastic collaborative songs.
The next part of the programme was something a bit closer to home. Wheels and Fins festival finished a fantastic weekend of music with a day of music curated by The Libertines. As part of the ‘Sharabang’ celebrations, our young producers donned the famous redcoats, and spent the day busking around the festival site.
After these two fantastic days out, the Young Producers began planning their first live music event, and attended a Masterclass presented by Michael McClatchey from Moshi-Moshi Records.
Local music venue Elsewhere had just opened, and they agreed to host our first ‘Thanet’s Finest’ music event.
The night was a massive success, and was the result of weeks of hard work and planning from our young producers.
After the success of the first Thanet’s finest night, the Young Producers then attended two more Masterclasses presented by Harriet Jordan-Wrench of Secret Sessions, and Gemma Cairney and Beth Clayton from Boom Shakalaka Productions.
After these Masterclasses, planning begun for Thanet’s Finest 2 – an even more ambitious night that was hosted at Ramsgate Music hall. The young producers curated a huge line-up, including Laughing Water, King K, Yung Volk, Babii, and back to back drum and bass sets from DJ bean and DJ Detonate.
Things quietened down for a while whilst our Young Producers studied for A-Level and GCSE exams, but it didn’t take long before planning for a third live music event began. ‘Dripstar’ was an idea pitched by two of our Young Producers, and was this time a fundraiser for Pie Factory.
It was a night of local Rap music, again taking place at Elsewhere. As with the previous two events, the turnout was great.
Shortly after, planning begun for the final live music event of the year – Dreamland’s Street Week.
Our Young Producers were given the opportunity to curate the line-up for an afternoon of music at Dreamland as part of their ‘Street Week’ festival. The Line-up included Alice Jures, Amie Leeb, Olivia Rogers, Sik Smoke, Moose, Ratsnest, and those who attend our band factory sessions.
It was a great end to the summer, and was an amazing first performance for some of the line-up.
To finish off the programme, we rounded up some of the experts who had presented Masterclasses over the course of the year, and put on a Music Industry Crash Course panel. You can read the full write up about that event here:
The Thanet Emerging Artists Programme reached hundreds of young people, and gave the opportunity for 25 young people to perform live, some for the first time. Our Young Producers have all gone on to perform live, and release their own music independently since taking part in the programme, and it’s given them a massive head-start to the music careers.
We’d like to say a huge thank-you to Youth Music for funding the programme, and to everyone who has made it possible. We hope that this is something we’ll be able to do again in the future, and if so, it will be even bigger and better than before.
“The outcome [of the Young Producers programme] was to change us musically and give us a kick start. This is real, this is life, and this is how you’re going to overcome it if you want to be budding musicians, and I think that is what it has done.”
Posted on: October 22nd, 2019 by Zoe Carassik-Lord No Comments
On October 14th, as part of our Thanet Emerging Artists Programme, we hosted a panel event at the Turner Contemporary in Margate.
We invited a panel of music industry experts to join our panel, who between them covered everything from getting gigs to copyright.
Our panelists were:
Harriet kicked off the night with some advice about Getting Gigs.
“If you ever want anybody to listen to you, to trust you, to give you money, or put you on at their event, just be good at what you do”
“Work on your craft ….. That always has to come from passion. Why do you want to be a musician? Think about why you want to be in the industry. Every time the going gets tough, remind yourself why you’re doing this”
“Research the gig or the venue you’re applying to. If you want to apply to play a grime show and you’re a country singer, its probably not going to work. You need to really know the people and the places you’re contacting. When describing yourself, cut copy and paste can be risky – You’re better of with just two or three personal lines about yourself rather than pages of artist influences. What’s even better, is going and meeting people in person.”
“Network in real life. It’s so easy to be behind your computer, but we’re human beings.”
Next up was Matt, who shared some advice from his time in the industry.
“It’s such a crazy industry to be involved in, and to try and maintain a career in. It’s not the type of job where you apply for it, you don’t send in your CV, or send in a letter. It’s a lot more about getting to know people, networking, and a lot of jobs will lead to other jobs.”
As Michael began to talk about Record Labels, the sound of Thunder boomed outside.
“That thunder is quite appropriate, because as we all know, Record Labels are the bad guys. We hang around backstage handing out business cards and trying to break the band up. That’s the cliche – and it’s an enduring one, probably because there’s an element of truth. Record labels were set up to make money from a musicians art, and through the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s labels did that ruthlessly. It wasn’t until bands like the Beatles came along and started to take back control of their creative output that things started to change. Then Punk came along at the end of the 70’s and sped the whole process up, and around that time you’ve got a whole new raft of independent labels like Rough Trade, Beggars Banquet, and Stiff Records, and they were designed and created to be more about the music and less about the commerce.”
“At the end of the 90’s technology came along and reset everything. The Internet empowered musicians to release their own music. You can release your own music, and that’s great. But it’s like, you can sell your own house, but it’s a good idea to have someone help. Someone who will do a better job than you can yourself.
Whether you should release, or self release depends on what you want to achieve. You can record your own music at home, and release it, but the chances are you’re going to have a limited reach, and you’ll make a limited amount of money back from that. If that doesn’t matter to you that’s fine, but if you’re hoping to make a living out of it, and reach a lot of people, then record label’s are probably the way to go.”
“The smart thing to do might be to self release first, then go to a record label when you’ve established yourself. Sign a record deal that suits you, then when you’re massive, ditch the label and start self releasing again.”
Next was Beth, with some advice about Branding and Marketing.
“I work for Nick Cave’s management team – For anyone whose not sure who that is, the Peaky Blinders theme tune is one of his songs”
“Branding is how your represent your music and yourself to the outside world – In particular, how you show people what makes you and your music distinctive.
Things that are important – Having an image, or way you like present yourself, a good social media presence, a good strategy for collecting data, a good visual approach to representing yourself and your music, and a plan.”
“When you read online about tips for marketing yourself, there is a lot of emphasis on social media, a lot of emphasis on digital presence and on numbers. They are all important when you’re presenting yourself to a label, to a promotor, or to an agent – but don’t let it distract yourself too much from your music. Stuff in real life is really important as well.”
“For anything you’re posting online, work out what it is you’re trying to achieve. Are you trying to get more followers? Trying to keep your current followers engaged? Or trying to just get as many people to listen to a song? Then work out how you’re going to measure this.
Think about who your audience is, and where they are – people use all the platforms in different ways. It’s really good to vary content across platforms. Mix it up, it will make it more interesting for you – don’t post links to an Instagram post on your other platforms, don’t cross contaminate! Create stuff for the place it’s supposed to be.”
Last but definitely not least was Mike.
“What I’m gonna be talking about is this term: Copyright. Copyright is ownership – It’s about property. This property isn’t not something you can walk into, or have a key to, its an intellectual property. Something you’ve created. Anything you create, like a song, or a recording, there is a value attached to it. In the UK, if you write a song, you are seen as an author. You have rights as an author – that means it’s owned by you.
A recording is a different – often a Record Label helps pay for someone to record music. To make that money back, they often co-control the copyright for that recording with, or on behalf of, the artist. But this is separate to the copyright (or ownership) of the song”
“I think it’s really important that if you’re really serious about having a career in music, and you’re going to be a writer or someone that’s going to create recordings, that you know about copyright, and understand the value of it.”
“If you do want to find out more, go to the PRS website (Performance rights society). They collect all the royalties and distribute them to the artists. It’s a good resource if you want to know about song writers copyright”
We finished our Crash Course with a Q+A that was open to the audience, as well as questions from online. Our first question was from Rhys, one our young producers.
Rhys: “What’s the most professional way to approach a venue?”
Harriet: “I would first find out who the promoters are that are putting on nights at that venue. If it’s a case of just wanting to get on stage at that venue, then approach all the people that put on gigs there. Try and meet the promoters face to face.”
We then had a question from Zoe, who was hosting the panel.
Zoe: “How important are live performances when it comes to being noticed by a record label?”
Michael McClatchey: “Being able to play live is pretty essential. It’s not the be all and end all, but it’s a very powerful promotional tool. I always prefer to work with an artist that can perform live. Look for open mic nights, or even approach venues about putting on your own show if you’re confident that you have enough mates that will come”
Rhys: “Is it still worth sending demos to record labels?”
Michael: “I definitely still think there’s a use to it. But don’t get hung up on record labels, don’t see that as the end goal. Just try and get your music out to as many people as you can. If you want to attract a label, then get a lot of people to your gigs, and a lot of people talking about you.”
Zoe: “Matt as someone who has worked on many demos, what do you think a good demo sounds like?”
Matt: “In this day and age, from my perspective, it feels like labels are looking for a product that they can put straight to market. The old model certainly was making a demo, but now with a laptop or a phone, you can make something that’s of release standard. You have to get as close to releasable quality as you can.”
Harriet: “Ultimately you have to prove that there is a fanbase for what you do. But, if you do want to show people your music, think about what is the easiest way to for someone to hear it. If that’s just a link, then get their email address and send them that. Keep it as easy as possible.”
Beth: “Ultimately I think Soundcloud is the best way to share your music. Because you don’t need to log in to see it. Open platform linking is best for sharing music. And put it at the top of the email!”
Harriet: “One thing I’ve liked when someone is trying to get a live show, is when people have sent me a highlights real of short clips from their gigs”
Michael” “One of the first things I’ll look for is a live video that someone has filmed at a gig”
Question from online: “Should artists always ask for payment for a gig?”
Matt: “If you’re just starting out, you kind of have to play for free. How else are you going to get your foot in the door? If you’re doing stuff for free, and being the person thats helpful, and committing your time, thats whats valuable to people. That’s how you get the first 50 people, or 100 people to like what you do. You have to do something to get out there. The tough thing is working out when you need to start asking for payment. But at the start, grab every performance opportunity you can. Because they can be hard to come by.”
Michael: “If you’re confident that you will bring a lot of people, then ask for a cut of the door. You need to know your own value”
Audience member: “When it comes to explicit content, are radio edits still necessary?”
Michael: “Definitely. More so for Spotify now than radio”
If you want to find out more, then you can watch the full live stream on our Facebook page here:
Posted on: September 24th, 2019 by Zoe Carassik-Lord No Comments
summer, Pie Factory Music collaborated with Cohesion plus, and the Gulbenkian
to put on a unique series of workshops for a project called ‘Bollyhop’.
Cohesian Plus is community project focused on promoting positive community relations and cohesion in Gravesend.
brilliant musicians ran the Project: Ollie Seager, and Bill Singh.
aim of the BollyHop project was to create a fusion of Hip-Hop and Bangra music,
and to give the opportunity for different communities to work together on a
is a Rapper, Singer, Song-writer, and producer who runs music workshops for
is a renowned Bangra drummer, with a passion for Hip-Hop, who works regularly
with young people teaching Bangra drumming.
project started at Pie Factory, with Bill and Ollie working with Rhys (AKA
‘MOOSE’) and myself, to begin building a beat that would form the base for our song.
Rhys began writing Rap Verses and the structure for the song quickly fell into
the project moved to the Gulbenkian in Canterbury, where Reece and myself met
with Bill’s Bangra drumming group. We shared what we had worked on so far, and
all began improvising over the beat, and sharing ideas for the song.
had something to contribute, and the surprise discovery that one of the boys
from Bill’s Bangra group could beat-box added another element to the piece.
the end of the two days at the Gulbenkian, everyone was happy with what was
produced, and so we returned to Pie Factory to professionally record the
finished product with Matt Smyth. Like with the rest of the project, the
recording process was a collaborative effort, with everyone contributing their
own ideas to how the BollyHop track should sound. Everyone’s different ideas
and influences are reflected in the finished piece, which is really unique
blend of the two genres.
The Project culminated in a group performance at ‘Boing’ festival in Canterbury, where Reece, Ollie, Bill, and the Bangra drummers performed our BollyHop track live.
The project was a great success, and provided a really unique and enjoyable experience for everyone involved and was a great example of what can be achieved through collaboration.
Written by Evan Williams – Music Programming Intern
Posted on: July 15th, 2019 by Zoe Carassik-Lord No Comments
We love to showcase the emerging artists who have come up through our organisation, and are now making their way in the big wide world!
Adam came along to our Live Room and Band Factory sessions for years, becoming the go-to guitarist for other young musicians to reach out to for help on their tracks! Adam is now about to go on tour with his band Rats Nest – “a 3 man Punk band consisting of aggressive vocals complaining about the corruption of society and other social affairs, on top of fast drums and mad guitar solos”. Check out their Bandcamp and download their music here. You can also follow them on Facebook and Instagram. You can listen to one of their tracks below.
The dates for the tour are below – head to a gig and support live music from Thanet!
JULY 12th × Hastings @ Crowleys Bar 13th × Dover @ The Booking Hall 18th × Newcastle @ Trillians 19th × Edingburgh @ Bannermans 20th × Gateshead @ The Black Bull 21st × Northwich @ The Salty Dog 25th × Derby @ The Hairy Dog 26th × Bristol @ The Fleece 27th × Newcastle-Under-Lyme @ Lymedale Bar . AUGUST 1st × Blackpool @ Rebellion Festival (Introducing Stage 6:30pm – 7pm)